Interview(s) with Board Members and Investors.

June 16, 2022

Prior to the Webinar on the 14th July 2022 some interviews were pre-recorded to help prepare for the website launch.

Some Q&A From the Board.

How did and where did the technology arise ?

Chris Key CEO

“I first saw this in 2019 but I had known about it for some years. When it was first seen  it was explained to me as energy coming from a parallel Universe or even cold fusion. I didn’t believe a word of it, but when our team assembled a test rig we could see something was going on. Quite simply the energy needed to boil a kettle was boiling a huge vat of water. We seemed to be getting much more heat from the water itself. We did some simple checks – spectroscopy – emission checking and we knew therefore that we had a clean energy source – to be honest I had no idea what it was… we did make sure that what came out of the cell was just water and we also saw that if we didn’t refresh the water then the process stopped, so something appeared to be using something in the water – that’s all I could conclude

We showed the energy cell to some seed investors including a ex senior engineer from Rolls-Royce – he was very enthusiastic and the investors helped us get going.

We then took some hard decisions and decided to set up a new facility in Sussex where our team was based. Our own Scientist and Engineering and Project team started and set up a new rig themselves. There wasn’t much in the way of prior information, and we had to rebuild based on European / UK standards and our own understanding. We knew that if we were to get any funding or independent trialling, we would need full visibility on the cell and some understanding of the process and clearly the results.

The team involved was led by Professor Andrew Atkins who had long experience with both thermodynamics and heat engines. He also happens to be brilliant! With the help of an extended science network from (a local University), we started testing and also started understanding.

The good news for my reassurance was that the cell was producing the same results even though it had been built and assembled by a completely different set of people. There was no sleight of hand here – but there was yet to be a fully understood process.

We tested and tested – the kit we had was at best under-engineered and fragile. The fragility was not the cell but the power and water system feeding it. However we gradually improved reliability and sustained quite incredible results.

By November 2020 we were ready to run trials and we ran a series of trials culminating in an independent run with a visiting Professor Robert Morgan on December 4th 2020.

So what were the results and why are they so exciting?

Professor Andy Atkins Chief Technical Officer

Well as you know we have carried out a series of tests on an energy cell which uses water as an energy carrier. The cell, with development following the witnessed tests, has delivered 3½ times more heat than the electrical energy being applied to it. This ratio of heat out to work in is known as ‘Coefficient of Performance’ or ‘CoP’. A CoP of 3½ for the cell is, when compared to say an electric boiler or kettle, which is considered to be a very efficient heat device, impressive when the kettle has a CoP of less than 1 . A further advantage of the cell when compared to, for example, a heat pump is that the thermal energy is presented in a useful form.  The energy is presented as superheated steam at >230oC so it can deployed to regenerate some or all of the the electricity we used, making it possible to claim very low carbon.

When we first saw this we were told it was fusion. Frankly, I found this to be highly improbable given the lack of any radiation. The observed results however, made trying to determine the mechanism through which the energy was being released an imperative. Through undertaking a thorough thermal survey and trying to model the results we identified that the energy was being released by light emission or photoluminescence because the cell walls heat up too quickly for heat transfer to have been from the water. This has been reported on by scientists working in many fields: for example cavitation. In the marine sector, scientisits have seen energy being emitted as light from collapsing sea water bubbles generated by prop rotation on ships leading to pitting of those props. Our contention is therefore; that under the very specific conditions we create in the energy cell we cause the water trapped in vapour bubbles to change to a lower isomer energy state through the release of energy as bursts of light.

So where is the energy coming from?

Water found in normal conditions is a mixture of two, naturally occurring, chemically identical, isomers. These are referred to as ‘Ortho’ and ‘Para’ water. Only main difference between the two is the energy stored in the molecule. ‘Flipping’ from one physical state to another absorbs or releases energy depending on the direction of the ‘flip’. This ‘Latent’ energy is analogous to and greater than the considerable amount of heat required to be added or removed to morph between water and steam. Fortunately, the majority of water found in normal conditions is of the higher energy state so there is a lot of potential energy for us to unlock.

Our contention is that we are, through the light emitted during the bubble formation and collapse, creating the conditions by which we able to ‘flip’ a considerable proportion of the water molecules to the lower energy state; thereby releasing the stored energy by which we get the impressive CoP.

These spin isomers have been known about since 1920’s. The two variants of water have been measured using MRI techniques. Also, it is known that if we put the water with a higher than normal proportion of the lower energy state water isomer back into the normal environment it receives packets of light energy back from the sun and the normal spin isomer balance, within a few hours, reverts to normal. In effect, therefore, we borrow energy from the water and the sun puts it back in. All of this needs more work; we aim to complete some studies with the help of our local Universities and then hopefully publish later this year.

The tests that were done – what were the results and how did they increase performance ?

At first we consistently showed a CoP of 200% from wall mains socket to steam. For the Independent trial we stripped out all the insulation so that Professor Morgan could inspect all the sensors and wiring without any possibility of adulteration. Therefore, it was very pleasing to get a positive result . The Professor was very brave to report just what he had observed and calculated that we were producing an efficiency of 177%. No-one else has even reported a CoP of more than a miniscule amounts over 1 in process experiments with technologies such as cold fusion. And we all remember the fiasco of the certified claims of cold fusion in the 1990’s?

Since the trials we have improved performance from 200% to 350% and we will get this independently verified once we have the money. We have had to decommission the rig now as frankly the old system we had hads reached its limit – it was designed for a 2 hour test and we have run it as a trial rig for hundreds of hours. It deserves a decent funeral. We have already purchased the new electrical input system and a new cell. We are now changing the internal system to give better results and longer running time .

What's the plan ?

This is Rob Wright (Operations and Programme Director) who steered the project development.

Well we need some more funding.  Once we have another £0.5 million we will start to finish the scientific experiments and also the engineering redesigns to get more efficiency:-

We have a road map which takes us to achieving greater than 500% of the input energy. A coefficient of performance of 5 times. Once we exceed the level needed to produce the input energy (about 2.8x) we can amplify the result to virtually claim infinity.

We have three main jobs to do:-

1)    To put in a new HV DC electrical input system – our current system looks like something from the Nicoli Tesla era and loses at least 30% of the input power. The new setup is rated at only 5% loss. This step takes us from producing 350% energy to 450%.

2)    We need to do some observation work with the University of Brighton.  They will take shots at 4 million frames per second of the cell in operation. We can then check the chemical and physical process.

3)    We have planned improvements to the plasma creation and cell system which should add further efficiency – either through using less energy or capturing more heat.

And how will you commercialise this – is there a Business Plan?

There are many Business Plans!  We originally believed that the easiest commercial route was simply to produce electricity – in unlimited amounts wherever it was needed. I am sure this will be a big part of the plan. But we have learnt to be modest and we will start by producing and using heat – probably in agriculture and also in waste management where we can put heat (or cold) to dry waste such as manure and help capture methane and other bio gasses. The system will be demonstrated as a means of heating and cooling commercial and domestic buildings. I believe 33 million houses require a low carbon system. Unlike heat pumps, our system could be used with existing heating infrastructure – it’s a great solution for retrofitting UK Houses. Also we know that by producing a simple generation system, we can power a turbine for transport systems or for simple electricity production.

I could go on but in effect the system can be used whereever you need power and heat or cold… Can we have some money please?!

Barry Malizia Finance Director - some quick fire financial questions

You are raising £5 million ? Is a first round of funding of £5 million sufficient and how long will it last?

ENQ has made enormous progress in developing its technology over the past 2 years and we have managed this on limited seed investment. £5 million will take us to the next stage of achieving a CoP of >5 and demonstrating a number of applications for the technology in conjunction with key OEMs. During this process we will be looking to raise the next stage of funding in 12 – 18 months.

Does investment attract EIS (Enterprise Investment Scheme) tax relief?

Yes, I'm pleased to say we achieved EIS for qualifying individuals investing up to £2 million in any one year, So EIS is available.

And if I put money in how can I realise my investment?

If an investor is taking advantage of EIS relief he/she must hold the shares for a minimum of 3 years. However, it is the company’s strong intention to establish an exit route for shareholders in the next 2-3 years and the most likely route is an IPO. Once we have hit our benchmarks we believe that the interest will drive the headline share price aggressively.

Can the company apply for government grants?

Yes ENQ is already benefitting from R&D corporation tax credits and with the progress in the development of the technology and the £5 million raise, the company will be well placed to apply for a number of grant opportunities and matched funding.

Lets hear from some Investors.

Nick Orchard (ex Rolls-Royce)

Why did you Invest ?

I first saw this in 2019 when I was acting as a technical adviser for another Investor. I was very suspicious of the claims being made to begin with, but following an early demonstration I changed my views, as I felt there was perhaps something very interesting happening in the test cell.   I was still suspicious that the development team didn't really understand the underlying physics of the process, but it appeared that it did actually work. I was excited by the idea that there could be a novel way to generate heat, and possibly electricity, that could solve a lot of the world's energy problems without using hydrocarbons, nuclear fuels or variable output renewables.  I invested a small sum and wrote to some of my ex colleagues urging them to get involved.

And what do you think now ?

Well I'm still very excited and pleased to see that they now have a much better understanding of the process physics.  I really believe that this technology is a major breakthrough in heat generation for homes, power and perhaps transport.

Rupert Fraser Company secretary and Investor

Why did you get involved ? 

Innovation will solve the climate crisis but we need to move. 30 years in renewables had taught me that none of the existing technologies is going to solve climate change, pollution and fuel poverty. At first, I merely thought “if” this is true it would be fantastic and change everything.  The longer I worked with the group, the more I believed that we need this technology. To others, I say “it may be a gamble, but the upside is too vast for it not to be worth throwing the dice.

So back to Chris

So why haven’t you been able to fund this ?

It’s a good question! I think we (or maybe just me) was a bit naïve. I believed that once we had the Independent report that we could produce more power coming out than going in – people would flock to this – to a certain extent they did – BUT – they didn’t like the fact that we needed to repay quite a lot of debt which had built up during the two years of testing. They wanted us to show that we had commercial products – and they didn’t like the fact that it was too good to be true – or they wanted it too cheaply …

So we stuck our heels in – we were also reluctant to be too public because of the patent process and ideally we wanted to be published before we spoke outwardly..

Anyway we are now getting interest again and I hope that we will be fully funded in the next three months.

SO an exciting and unprecedented project – we will all watch the outcome with interest.

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